Tom Gores reaches deal to buy Pistons (or did he ?)

**FastFreddie** · 02-11-2011, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by General283

it makes a ton of sense for the Wings to be relocated to the Palace

explain.

**pGekko** · 02-11-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Preacher_Boy

Do you know Gores or is this speaking from perception?

Perception and 2nd hand knowledge.

**Preacher_Boy** · 02-11-2011, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by gordongekko

Perception and 2nd hand knowledge.

cool. I like the way he sounds according to you. They need someone with that edge of arrogance in my opinion, as long he is not dominated by that arrogance

**pGekko** · 02-11-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Preacher_Boy

cool. I like the way he sounds according to you. They need someone with that edge of arrogance in my opinion, as long he is not dominated by that arrogance

You can't have that guy's success and not be arrogant. Like you said, it's whether that becomes a detriment.

**OneBadMutha** · 02-11-2011, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisBrown

Kinda tired from recruiting nonsense right now, but maybe I'll give it a shot in couple of days. I actually tried something like this a few years back, but I think I was just comparing Detroit's picks in the Dumars era to San Antonio's pick during the same time frame.

The biggest problem for me, I guess, is how we identify a successful draft pick. I'm absolutely convinced that 95% of the guys in the NBA can put up big numbers if they get the playing time, but it's hard to tell who can be productive on good teams. You know...were Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings good draft picks, or are they just putting up numbers because they're on Sacramento and Milwaukee?

And just for fun, Afflalo just finished off a 19-point 4th quarter by hitting a game-winner at the buzzer. Good thing they gave him up for nothing.

And on that note, prior to getting injured, Darko at least looked like a competent center. Afflalo is having a good year as a starter. Amir at least looks like a competent rotation player. When Delfino has been healthy, he's been the same way.

I'm convinced that if Monroe, Jerebko, and Daye were on the contending Championship teams, they'd all be zero playing time busts. Jerebko was a nobody in the summer league and pre-season but developed because there wasn't any choice with injuries. Monroe was getting abused by nobodies in the summer league and looked like a bust early on but had to play because Maxiell was having zero rebound games and they couldn't start Daye as a big.

Stuckey got his chance because there was zero depth in the back-court his rookie year. Tay had to wait to year 2 when they could finally dump Michael Curry. Michael freaking Curry?

I'm convinced the Pistons issue has been far more on the development side than on the drafting side. Thorpe over at ESPN who tracks development of young players considers Detroit one of the worst development organizations in the league and one of the worst places for a young guy to get drafted to...at least prior to this year. Even Phil Jackson while contending understands the importance of working in and developing young guys. It's what San Antonio has done. Dallas does it. Utah does it. And those teams consistently win over 50 games a year.

But I think that issue does go back to the top. No coach has job security in Detroit and the players run the show here. What's the point of developing for the future at the expense of 3 to 5 regular season wins when you probably won't be around to reap the benefits? A coach who takes Detroit from lottery to ECF gets fired. Then a coach who loses in the Finals the year after he wins the Championship gets fired.

If you look at how Detroit's draft picks get better once they leave Detroit (Memo goes from regressing to mostly out of rotation to All Star), Joe's draft record isn't as bad as advertised. Not when stacked up to all other organizations where all have busts and most rarely find a rotation guy in the 2nd round. Cleaves, White, and Darko were the 3 big flops yet ironically those were the three consensus picks by most experts at the time. The rest, where Joe didn't match mock draft boards, have mostly turned into decent values.

That development stability will start with ownership...where an owner isn't going to fire every coach who looks at him wrong.

**yourmom_is_hot** · 02-11-2011, 09:27 AM

just look at his picture, it says it all. He probably introduces himself to women like "I'm Tom Gores, and by the end of the night I'm gonna be balls deep in you because I'm that damn good."

**OneBadMutha** · 02-11-2011, 09:35 AM

And for everyone else excited that Joe may have made his last move as a Piston...just be warned that only two mid to small markets in the Mid-West have contended without a true Superstar since the NBA went to free agency. Indiana did it twice in very short bursts and the Pistons were the only team to do it more than two years in a row. If you were shopping for a new GM and had a mid-west franchise, Joe's resume is about as good as it gets. If that speaks to how pathetic Mid-West GMs have historically been, so be it. But I think that's just how the NBA is set up. Anything less than a large market in a cold weather city is set up for failure in a league where players rule everything but the owners. Pistons fire Joe...then you're next strategy is to be bad for multiple years until you find a true Superstar who can recruit for the franchise. And unfortunately, there's not many true Superstars on the horizon so this is a bad time to be a tanking organization.

**FastFreddie** · 02-11-2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by OneBadMutha

And for everyone else excited that Joe may have made his last move as a Piston...just be warned that only two mid to small markets in the Mid-West have contended without a true Superstar since the NBA went to free agency. Indiana did it twice in very short bursts and the Pistons were the only team to do it more than two years in a row. If you were shopping for a new GM and had a mid-west franchise, Joe's resume is about as good as it gets. If that speaks to how pathetic Mid-West GMs have historically been, so be it. But I think that's just how the NBA is set up. Anything less than a large market in a cold weather city is set up for failure in a league where players rule everything but the owners. Pistons fire Joe...then you're next strategy is to be bad for multiple years until you find a true Superstar who can recruit for the franchise. And unfortunately, there's not many true Superstars on the horizon so this is a bad time to be a tanking organization.

All good points.

And to the people (Valenti included) that want Joe D out, who are you wanting them to replace him with?

**General283** · 02-11-2011, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by FastFreddie

explain.

The palace is really nice, the Wings attract a suburban audience (ie, white). You put the Wings in a decent area in a nice arena and they pack the seats every game, as opposed to the "sellouts" they have now.

**General283** · 02-11-2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by OneBadMutha

And on that note, prior to getting injured, Darko at least looked like a competent center. Afflalo is having a good year as a starter. Amir at least looks like a competent rotation player. When Delfino has been healthy, he's been the same way.

I'm convinced that if Monroe, Jerebko, and Daye were on the contending Championship teams, they'd all be zero playing time busts. Jerebko was a nobody in the summer league and pre-season but developed because there wasn't any choice with injuries. Monroe was getting abused by nobodies in the summer league and looked like a bust early on but had to play because Maxiell was having zero rebound games and they couldn't start Daye as a big.

Stuckey got his chance because there was zero depth in the back-court his rookie year. Tay had to wait to year 2 when they could finally dump Michael Curry. Michael freaking Curry?

I'm convinced the Pistons issue has been far more on the development side than on the drafting side. Thorpe over at ESPN who tracks development of young players considers Detroit one of the worst development organizations in the league and one of the worst places for a young guy to get drafted to...at least prior to this year. Even Phil Jackson while contending understands the importance of working in and developing young guys. It's what San Antonio has done. Dallas does it. Utah does it. And those teams consistently win over 50 games a year.

But I think that issue does go back to the top. No coach has job security in Detroit and the players run the show here. What's the point of developing for the future at the expense of 3 to 5 regular season wins when you probably won't be around to reap the benefits? A coach who takes Detroit from lottery to ECF gets fired. Then a coach who loses in the Finals the year after he wins the Championship gets fired.

If you look at how Detroit's draft picks get better once they leave Detroit (Memo goes from regressing to mostly out of rotation to All Star), Joe's draft record isn't as bad as advertised. Not when stacked up to all other organizations where all have busts and most rarely find a rotation guy in the 2nd round. Cleaves, White, and Darko were the 3 big flops yet ironically those were the three consensus picks by most experts at the time. The rest, where Joe didn't match mock draft boards, have mostly turned into decent values.

That development stability will start with ownership...where an owner isn't going to fire every coach who looks at him wrong.

Wow, just....wow. WTF