Sheed on Flip

[motorcityjoe611]

Did anyone ask Sheed why he left Robert Horry(one of the most CLUTCH shooters in NBA history) WIDE FUC&KEN OPEN for 3 in game 5 of the 2005 NBA finals effectively costing of us a Championship? This after he was repeatedly told by Larry Brown and Chauncey not to leave his man and not to double. Why doesn't someone ask him that question? Was that Flip Saunders fault too?

I agree Flip Saunders was not a championship coach, by any means. But Sheed has been hugely disapointing the last few years and it's absolutely ridiculous for a grown man with children to need a baby sitter to make sure he's paying attention durring timeouts, not leaving the huddle, getting thrown out of elimination playoff games and all the other bullshyt he's been pulling since LB left. And NO I am not looking foward to seeing Amir, Maxiel or Kwame take his place but I had hoped that our GM would've done something to fix this situation by now, but all Joe wants to do is switch coaches every couple years.

One of the things Larry Brown said was that they drew that up to make sure that no one was left beyond the perimeter, especially Horry. Sheed either didn't listen (possible) or just reacted to Ginobli's troubles and figured they could seal the game by getting possession. Either way, it was a case of a player not heeding the coach's advice. And it cost them the game and ultimately the championship.

IT WAS ALWAYS so reminiscent to me of hearing Chuck Daly lament the famous game in Boston. Although that "Bird stole the ball!" game didn't cost them the championship (they played the next day), it was the chance to finally hurdle Boston. But Daly can be seen on the other side of the court, because the camera is right behind Isaiah, jumping up and down, making a TIME-OUT signal. The player either didn't see him or ignored him, and it cost them the game.

[det2orl]

Didn't really see anything wrong with what Sheed said. Whether people think it's right or wrong, he was simply stating the fact that the players didn't respect Flip...which most of us already knew.

I also don't understand the notion that you have to either assign all the blame to the players or all the blame to the coaches. The players were very unprofessional and basically threw away Championship opportunities because they didn't want to win one for Flip. Sheed basically admits as much when he says the players thought that they were better than Boston but just weren't as scrappy (meaning they weren't willing to work as hard) but now that will change under Curry. If the players realized that they were being out-worked, they don't need a new coach to change their habits.

On the other hand, Flip Saunders doesn't need his GM to hold his hand to be a leader and crack down on guys. Sheed basically says that the players would have respected Flip if he had benched a player who acted up. That's on Flip starting with Ben Wallace.

Despite the fact that some of these starters don't deserve another chance based on the fact that they quit on their coach, I do believe that the Pistons are probably better equipped to win a Championship than they've been since Ben left.

Last year I thought the season was a waste of time and that we'd have a predictable finish. This year I believe Detroit belongs in the conversation with the top 3 teams in the league. It's the first time in 2 and 1/2 years that I have a good feeling about Detroit basketball.

So making no changes except adding a rookie coach you think they've improved????

[Eruff24]

I completely understand that this was going to be said. I hope that now it has, the team can move on.

I don't wanna hear about Flip all season.

Well you will hear about after they dont make the Finals and sputter through the season.

[OneBadMutha]

So making no changes except adding a rookie coach you think they've improved????

Yep.

I don't expect much of a decline in the vets. The young guys will be further developed. This team needed Amir's shot-blocking and Afflalo's perimeter defense but Flip Saunders said they weren't ready until they improved their jump shots. Just another example of how much Flip didn't fit in here.

Better conditioning.

Going back to the offensive and defensive philosophies they had under LB.

The hammer has been dropped and those guys know there is no longer acceptance for turning off the light-switch.

Yep. It's the first time in 2 and 1/2 years that I'm excited about Detroit basketball again. To me the head coach's philosophies and ability to lead are more important than X's and O's with a contending team. You couldn't have had a worse scheme or philosophy for these players than what Flip had and he wasn't a leader.

I told you last year is a waste of time. I'm telling you this year they are finally legit for the first time since Ben left.

[det2orl]

Yep.

I don't expect much of a decline in the vets. The young guys will be further developed. This team needed Amir's shot-blocking and Afflalo's perimeter defense but Flip Saunders said they weren't ready until they improved their jump shots. Just another example of how much Flip didn't fit in here.

Better conditioning.

Going back to the offensive and defensive philosophies they had under LB.

The hammer has been dropped and those guys know there is no longer acceptance for turning off the light-switch.

Yep. It's the first time in 2 and 1/2 years that I'm excited about Detroit basketball again. To me the head coach's philosophies and ability to lead are more important than X's and O's with a contending team. You couldn't have had a worse scheme or philosophy for these players than what Flip had and he wasn't a leader.

I told you last year is a waste of time. I'm telling you this year they are finally legit for the first time since Ben left.

When was this? :confused:

[OneBadMutha]

When was this? :confused:

The fact that the starters know they were/could still be shopped.

Just the fact that the coach has communicated as much. Flip Saunders would get b!tch slapped in public by his players and never did anything about it. He was weak. Curry has made it clear he won't put up with it. He'll bench guys. Yes, they are just words. But it's more than we ever got from Flip.

[det2orl]

The fact that the starters know they were/could still be shopped.

Just the fact that the coach has communicated as much. Flip Saunders would get b!tch slapped in public by his players and never did anything about it. He was weak. Curry has made it clear he won't put up with it. He'll bench guys. Yes, they are just words. But it's more than we ever got from Flip.

Were they really shopped??

So you honestly believe that they will respect this rookie coach more and give maximum effort? And more importantly respond positively when he is publicly critical of their effort? I don't but I hope you're right for your sake.

[frydorov]

Yep.

I don't expect much of a decline in the vets. The young guys will be further developed. This team needed Amir's shot-blocking and Afflalo's perimeter defense but Flip Saunders said they weren't ready until they improved their jump shots. Just another example of how much Flip didn't fit in here.

Better conditioning.

Going back to the offensive and defensive philosophies they had under LB.

The hammer has been dropped and those guys know there is no longer acceptance for turning off the light-switch.

Yep. It's the first time in 2 and 1/2 years that I'm excited about Detroit basketball again. To me the head coach's philosophies and ability to lead are more important than X's and O's with a contending team. You couldn't have had a worse scheme or philosophy for these players than what Flip had and he wasn't a leader.

I told you last year is a waste of time. I'm telling you this year they are finally legit for the first time since Ben left.

All sorts of players & teams do this. The Pistons aren't the only ones. So, what makes you think the Pistons will somehow become the only team in the league to not tank games & never flip the switch on or off?

[JohnMcClane]

So you honestly believe that they will respect this rookie coach more and give maximum effort? And mo

110% more than for flip

[OneBadMutha]

So you honestly believe that they will respect this rookie coach more and give maximum effort? And more importantly respond positively when he is publicly critical of their effort? I don't but I hope you're right for your sake.

Yep.

NBA is different than other sports when it comes to coaching. Doesn't work in Football (see Marinelli). History shows it can and does work in basketball...especially when the rookie coach played in the league. In fact, being a rookie coach has some advantages. Often NBA players focus on the weaknesses of a coach or perceived reputation to use it as an excuses. Young coaches don't have the known weaknesses.

People liked Avery Johnson and thought he was a Star coach in the making after his first year and 1/2. People thought the same thing with Carlisle after his rookie year. Terry Porter's best year as head coach was his first year. Nate McMillan's best year was his rookie year.

Historically, the best coaches start off strong. LB was an exception to the rule. If Curry really belongs as one of the better coaches in the league, it'll happen with this team. The thing I like about him so far is that he's not cryptic in his messages, he's focusing on conditioning, and it sounds like he's opening it up for anybody to get a chance to play (which would have never happened under Flip).