Neighborhood Watch guy chases down a kid, shoots him, charged with 2nd-degree murder

**The_Real_Right_Way** · 03-31-2012, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by pGekko

That video is a wild card though. I'm interested to see how the medical stuff plays out with Zimmerman's injuries.

Yes it will be interesting but it is meaningless in terms of determining his innocence or guilt in my opinion.

Sadly, they had him under arrest and mysteriously it seems like they did not book him, not sure that they took pictures of him or other evidence either. This in my mind would have been critical in helping Zimmerman defend himself if this is decided in a court of law. Instead it will work against him. All this stuff about his injuries and fight for his life is pure conjecture now.

**The_Real_Right_Way** · 03-31-2012, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by pGekko

Convicted before he's even charged. If you can't compute what I meant, I don't feel like spelling it out for you.

Personally, I just want to see this run its course and have more evidence come out. There is too much contradiction in what I've read.

Still not clear but... oh well.

**joeking1978** · 03-31-2012, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by The_Real_Right_Way

Yes it will be interesting but it is meaningless in terms of determining his innocence or guilt in my opinion.

Sadly, they had him under arrest and mysteriously it seems like they did not book him, not sure that they took pictures of him or other evidence either. This in my mind would have been critical in helping Zimmerman defend himself if this is decided in a court of law. Instead it will work against him. All this stuff about his injuries and fight for his life is pure conjecture now.

This is what I still don't understand... Yes, they had him in for questioning, but apparently the evidence at the time did not justify his arrest. Yet, you somehow know more than the police and feel they either made a mistake or blatantly let him go.

Why do you really feel they failed to convict him on the spot?

More evidence has came out after the fact which has definitely influenced public opinion... Yet the media only reports on what's available to them... So I can't make a verdict based on limited fact. I have to assume the police know more than you. More than me. I will let the process work before condemning him without a questionable doubt as you have.

Like I've said, if what he hear is true... Then let him burn... But there had been a lot of conflicting bs out there.

Also, it sounds like you are insinuating that if the police arrested Zimmerman, it would be easier for him to prove his innocence? Wtf? pGekko is pretty on the spot...

**psycaz** · 03-31-2012, 06:44 AM

Work with me for a couple...

Suppose the Feds interview the responding medical technician and he says that he treated GZ for a broken nose and abrasions to the back of his his. He cleaned him up but GZ did not require hospitalization.

That report gets leaked to the media. What happens next?

How does the media play this information in their reports?

Will it be that the technician is making up a story to match GZ account or will it be viewed as just what's in the report, he had injuries that could be considered consistent with his (GZ) story?

There are already accusations of the police department going back and editing their reports to match GZ account o the night.

Will anyone believe a medical technician now if his reports cite injuries to GZ.

This case is beyond fubarred! How many are going to believe anything that comes out now?

GZ will be convicted of civil rights offenses against TM. He will not be convicted of murder. The case is too screwed up to recover from for murder charges. IMHO.

Not saying if he is guilty or not. I don't like doing that anymore. I've tried to learn my lesson. Cough, Duke Lacrosse, cough.

**SportsFromA2** · 03-31-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by joeking1978

This is what I still don't understand... Yes, they had him in for questioning, but apparently the evidence at the time did not justify his arrest.

yeah they did.

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...4#.T3cBUtV2Apk

**SportsFromA2** · 03-31-2012, 08:14 AM

the Mortician said there were no signs Trayvon was in a fight:

The funeral director who oversaw slain teenager Trayvon Martin's burial says the body bore no signs of a fight.

Richard Kurtz says there were no notable marks on Martin's hands, face or body other than the gunshot wound that killed him. Kurtz says he expected to see some marks if Martin had been in a fight.

The 17-year-old Martin was killed Feb. 26 by neighborhood watch volunteer George

Zimmerman in the city of Sanford, where Martin was visiting. Zimmerman claims Martin physically attacked him after Zimmerman questioned why he was in the neighborhood.

Kurtz says the condition of Martin's body raises questions about Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/31...o-signs-fight/

**SportsFromA2** · 03-31-2012, 08:19 AM

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never,” he said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053223

**SportsFromA2** · 03-31-2012, 08:20 AM

In another twist, the Daily News learned that a key witness whose account has been used to back Zimmerman’s story saw less than has been attributed to him.

Police have said that Austin Brown, 13, who went out to walk his dog near where Trayvon was shot, saw Zimmerman lying in the grass crying for help just before the slaying.

But Austin’s mom, Cheryl Brown, told The News that when cops interviewed her son eight days after Trayvon’s death, he told them he saw only one person lying in the grass and he couldn’t tell who it was because it was too dark.

“He said he couldn’t see the race or anything. He never saw a second person,” Brown said.

“Then they asked him if he saw what the man was wearing. They gave him a multiple-choice question and gave him three colors. He said, ‘I think it was red.’” Zimmerman was wearing a red and black jacket. Trayvon was wearing a gray hoodie.

“Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the color,” Brown said.

A new witness interviewed on CNN cast doubt on Zimmerman’s story, saying that he looked out his window, glimpsed two men scuffling in the dark, heard “an excruciating kind of yell” and saw what he thought was Zimmerman on top of Trayvon.

“After the larger man got off, then there was a boy, obviously now dead, on the ground, facing down,” the witness told CNN.

“After the shot, one man got up,” the man said. “He was walking towards where I was watching and I could see him a little bit clearer, and see that he was a Hispanic man and he was, you know, he didn’t appear hurt or anything else, he just seemed very worried.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...1053223?pgno=1

**joeking1978** · 03-31-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by SportsFromA2

yeah they did.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...4#.T3cBUtV2Apk

For record, I think he is Lille guilty and am just playing devils/pRicks advocate... Because enough conflicting info has come out to make me second guess. Nothing like being tried in the court of public opinion.

This being said, that is one guys opinion. Obviously others disagreed with him and over ruled him. Why? Based on what? Where's their interview or quote?