Ugh. Ok, besides Mallett, what "talent" did he scare off?
Boren, Manningham, couldnt arrington have stayed? those are just a few and I remember a bunch of guys transferring, etc..
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Marelle Evans, Donovan Warren left early, Tony Clemons, Vince Helmuth, Justin Feagan (LOL), Cissoko (LOL), Wermers, Dan O'Neil, Adrian Witty, Jeron Stokes, Anthony Lolate, Tate Forcier (LOL), Steven Threet, JT Turner, Austin White....
Granted, some of those guys got into trouble or just didn't fit the system. But one way or the other, there were a lot of people leaving the UM program between 2007 and 2010.
"the world will know soon enough if Millen in fact acted alone."
Here's all you need to know about why U-M sucked (and would have continuted to suck) under RR (and why they'll return to prominence under Hoke) ... from one year ago today, I give you The Myth of The Great Recruiter: A Look Back At Rich Rodriguez' Recruiting Classes:
It's hard to be too enthused about a coaches recruiting when almost a quarter of that coach's recruits are no longer on campus. Under Rodriguez, 18 committed players have either failed to make it to campus or left after a short time at Michigan. And it's not like the departing players were sitting on the low end of the totem pole in terms of recruiting rankings either. Look for yourself (Rankings from Rivals):
The Rodriguez Washouts
RB - Sam McGuffie(4*) - Played in 2008, transferred following the season.
OL - Dann ONeill (4*) - Redshirted, transferred.
DB - Brandon Smith(4*) - Redshirted in 2008, Played in 2009, Transferred in 2010.
LB - Marcus Witherspoon(4*) - DNQ.
OL - Kurt Wermers (3*) - Redshirted, Failed out.
ATH/QB - Justin Feagin (3*) - Played his freshman year, but was booted off the team for a failed drug deal.
LB - Taylor Hill (4*) - Left the program after 2008 fall camp and transferred to Youngstown State.
DB - Boubacar Cissoko(4*) - Played in 2008 and 2009 before getting booted off the team.
DB/S - Vladimir Emilien (4*) - Played, transferred at start of 2010 season.
DE - Anthony LaLota(4*) - Redshirted. Transferred before 2010 season.
QB - Tate Forcier (4*) - Played, booted off team by Rodriguez, transferred to Miami.
DB - Justin Turner (4*) - Redshirted, and transferred to West Virginia before 2010.
DB - Adrian Witty (2*) - DNQ
DB - Demar Dorsey (4*) - DNQ
ATH/QB - Cornelius Jones (3*) - DNQ.
LB - Antonio Kinard (3*) - DNQ.
LB - Davion Rogers (3*) - DNQ.
RB - Austin White (3*) - Transferred/effective DNQ
The breakdown goes as follows: 7 offensive players and 11 defensive players. On the offense 3 QBs, 2 OL, and 2 RB. On the defense 4 LB, 6 DB, and 1 DE. In terms of stars, the washouts were 11 four star athletes, 6 three star and 1 two star. In short, during Rodriguez' three year tenure Michigan lost an entire recruiting class. A (washout)recruiting class that would've averaged a 3.56 star rating on Scout and come in 9th in the country in average star rating in 2011 on Scout and 9th on Rivals. In three years Michigan has lost a recruiting class that most schools would kill for. Puts the won-loss record into perspective doesn't it.
What makes the washout list seem even more dire is where these kids placed in their respective recruiting classes. In the 2008 class Cissoko and O'Neil were both Rivals rated recruits, with Witherspoon, Hill and McGuffie all being 5.8 rated recruits. In the 2009 classJustin Turner was the highest rated recruit in Ohio with a 6.0 rating. Then you had Tate at 5.9 and LaLota and Emilien were 5.8's. Finally, the 2010 class'swashouts were mostly three stars (though Scout liked Austin White as a 4*), but Demar Dorsey was a 5.8.
I mean... damn.
Here's the disturbing thing. If you were rated as a 4 star football player or higher, and went to Michigan as one of Rodriguez' recruits, you had an almost 30% chance of washing out (11/38 = 28.9%).
Im definitely not about to let my team lose two games in a row to Michigan.
Its just not going to happen. Im not going to let my team do that."
-- Kalin Lucas
what a troll
The Big Two and Little 10.
That's exactly how national recruiting analysts are describing the Big Ten in terms of recruiting just days after Michigan made a monumental haul with eight commitments, including six last Saturday, to total 12 for the 2013 freshman class. That includes three players from Columbus, including receiver Jaron Dukes who committed on Wednesday.
Ohio State, meanwhile, is working efficiently and has four pledges, including one five-star-rated prospect.
Ohio State hired Urban Meyer toward the end of last year, and he's proved with the 2012 signing class his reputation as an aggressive recruiter wasn't just talk.
Michigan's Brady Hoke made clear after taking the job in January 2011 that Michigan, Ohio and Illinois would be the Wolverines' main targets for top recruits, and that clearly has been the case.
Both had highly ranked recruiting classes for 2012, and the Michigan-Ohio State recruiting battles for 2013 remember, we are a mere three weeks since the 2012 national signing period began already are proving to be of great interest nationally.
"It's the one I'm watching the most now, Michigan-Ohio State," said Mike Farrell, national recruiting analyst for Rivals.-com. "By the end of the year it could be something different it's usually in the SEC. But this is the first time in a long time the Big Ten has captivated my interest. They're definitely the top two (in the Big Ten), and then there's a huge drop-off. Ohio State has had a really good start to their class, and Michigan is just killing it."
Tom Lemming, the CBS Sports/MaxPreps recruiting guru said he's eager to sit back and watch how this plays out.
"It looks now like the entire Midwest is down to Michigan-Ohio State," Lemming said. "The rivalry is back. (Michigan's) is the best haul in one day I've seen in one weekend in the Midwest."
"If it keeps going this way, Michigan and Ohio State are going to leave everyone in (the Big Ten in) their dust. There doesn't seem like there's anybody who could punch Ohio State and Michigan in the nose. Michigan State is really the only one."
This is a rivalry that seems to have gotten a shot in the arm with the arrivals of Hoke and Meyer. Hoke refers to the Buckeyes only as "Ohio," while Meyer said he and his players will never say "Michigan". The OSU team meeting room schedule refers to Michigan as "that team up north".
Luke Fickell was Ohio State's interim coach last season, filling in after Jim Tressel resigned last May. Hoke led the Wolverines to a 40-34 victory last November to snap a seven-game losing streak. Michigan finished 11-2, including a Sugar Bowl victory.
Back and forth banter
Off the field, the rivalry is also gaining steam."I've got a lot of Michigan Twitter followers and a lot of Ohio State followers, and every time I say something positive about Michigan, I get a ton of feedback from OSU fans saying things like, 'Brady Joke,'" Farrell said. "If I say something good about Ohio State, I hear from Michigan fans who say he stinks and they call him Urban Liar.
"This is the fun part about recruiting."
Allen Trieu, regional manager for Scout.com, said the stage was set for ongoing recruiting battles between Michigan and Ohio State after some late competition for players in the 2012 class.
"It feels right again, doesn't it that Michigan and Ohio State are battling on the field and in their several recruiting battles?" Trieu said. "It seems very natural."Six of the eight players who committed were in Ann Arbor last Saturday taking in the ESPN "GameDay" experience and the Michigan-Ohio State basketball game.
Of Michigan's 11 commitments, 10 are in the Rivals250 and four are offensive linemen.
Landing that many players in one day or weekend this early is not entirely unusual, but it's atypical in the Midwest.
Texas A&M received seven commitments and Florida six last weekend.
Spartans on radar
While most think Michigan and Ohio State are separating themselves in recruiting from the rest of the Big Ten, Michigan State is lurking.
"Michigan State along with Iowa are the best evaluators in the country," Lemming said. "Michigan State has trouble beating Michigan head-to-head when Michigan is recruiting on all cylinders, but they do an excellent job recruiting guys under the radar and developing them.
"You've got to give them credit they're not going to win many battles with Michigan now with this staff so they have to do a good job evaluating, and they do."
Still, it seems to be the year of the Big Two.
A look at the eight 2013 commitments Michigan and coach Brady Hoke received last weekend:
Kyle Bosch, Illinois
David Dawson, Detroit Cass Tech
Chris Fox, Colorado
Logan Tuley-Tillman, Illinois
Jake Butt, Ohio
Taco Charlton, Ohio
Jourdan Lewis, Detroit Cass Tech
Wyatt Shallman, Detroit C.C.
On the radio Mike V says recruiting rankings etc... doesn't matter, but then he goes on Spartan boards and complaigns about it. Seems odd. I do remember him being into recruiting a couple years ago when MSU signed 8 or so 4 stars. Talked a lot about it that year, kept saying the studs were coming etc... seems odd. post is below
I watched and stodd on sidelines of the streetfight that took place here over the past week.
I'm not getting into it. I'm not even gonna try.
The one thing I will say is this...what frustrates me(not speaking for any crew, group, collection etc.) is not that Michigan recruited well, when havent they? It is this...
Michigan didnt hold a "Jr. Day" or some event. They simply brought in 10-12 of their top Plan A guys...and signed almost all of them. One shot. One day. One massive result.
I'm frustrated Bosch was on campus 6-7 times and was allowed to leave without getting his pledge. I'm not saying you demand it from all kids, not saying you do it the same for all guys, but in this case you gotta press the kid KNOWING he is going down the road. Hoke and Co. have it down to a science right now. I spoke to one coach who basically said it is a machine in AA and they are flat out telling kids "take it or we are moving on" Obviously we cannot operate that way across board but when a kid has been here 7 times...pop or get off potty.
Will we land a solid class? No question. But is solid the goal? Again, another argument I'm not getting into.
for me personally the last two years have been magic, immense amount of fun. But I also recognize it happened with Michigan being less than themselves, OSU being dreadful this year and us not getting them last year,and a healthy dose of good fortune...hello Mouse Trap etc.
In order to keep it up we need to step it up. OSU and UM are not messing around. It is defense spending arms race guys. You add Nebraska in mix and it is a whole new world.
I love our staffs ability to evaluate and procure talent. the issue fo rme is the kids the initially identify and offer we swing and miss on. Make no mistake...we wanted Bosch above all. Etc.
Last thing. Again, just my feeling...we dont cover enough ground with respect to offers. We seem to be a step slow. Years past it wouldnt matter. But in 2012 and beyond it does. the game has changed. Michigan is already in on 2014 kids...in Feb of 2012. Reality. While taking a deliberate and patient approach may be how we WANT to do business, it simply isnt realistic as we move on. FACT...8 of top 10 kids in state are locked up...its February.
Carry on the battles, I'm out. Just some musings before I hop on the air.
Wont even touch the staff issues or changes I'd make. this place explodes and I'm not dealing with it. Not today.
Take care guys.